And I think you are being way too stubborn about this, considering I doubt anyone else would consider elves who were twisted by evil magic and shunned by their original people and became filled with hatred and resentment as 1 dimensional or a waste of lore :/
of course they aren't going to have time to bring up the orcs as much as the other races... have you seen have big middle earth is? The fact that Tolkien had enough time to even explain what he did is a miracle in it's own. You are focused too much on one aspect of a story has excels everywhere else and then some. So what if Tolkien never got to expand orc lore? Think about all of the Elf, Dwarf, Wizard and Hobbit lore we got in that escort mission?
I mean, orcs aren't really the focus of Lord of the Rings though. I kind of got into this with my initial line of thought, but to expand upon it, it's a matter of story economy. Within a story, you have a given amount of space for practical reasons. You cannot cover everything, and you must focus on a central group of characters, a guiding plot, and underlying themes, that sort of thing. The orcs don't fit into that, they exist as an antagonistic force for the hobbits to overcome in their hero's journey. You could tell a story about the orcs, but that would necessitate its own story.
You see Frost, this is an Ouroborous Falacy. There is indeed a point in which being too virtuous will bite you in the ass. Now, if humans were born with a gene to replace the dark magic that would turn them into something like thw LotR orcs, I wouldn't just exile them, I'd flat out exterminate them. Sometimes, a thing is born too evil to save. No amount of coddling or good boy pats will change someone who is born/destined to be a flesh-craving murder big boi. There is no reality in which I see the orcs as the victums. They are no longer civilized. They lost any hope for salvation when dark magic tainted them. Its entirely irresponsible to think you can change something as drastic as dark magic influence with the power of overnight love and cuddles.
Frost, it was never stated that they were born that way... they were twisted by Sauron's evil magic
And this is why I think I'm going to cap off my discussion of this particular thing. It seems like the goalposts keep getting moved without anything actually being accomplished. I basically don't see anything in the representation of most orcs that would be what Frost would consider problematic, and it seems that Frost does. Like I said before, he's welcome to that opinion, I just don't agree.
There is nothing yikes about it. To put it in a more pallatable way, when an arm gets infected to the point it can kill someone, it has to be amputated. You dont wait to see if the person will die, you save their life.
I could watch the video, but I'm asking, in your own words, what defines an anti-hero?
But my definition is in the video
Frost, stop... it is time to move on from this topic and talk about other aspects of writing (or just to talk about anything else)
You just debunked your own argument for me, the chryssalids are monsters because they were genetically altered therefore genetics plays a role in natural behavior, blah blah blah I knew that from my own fucked up genetic pool but I am with Shadow and Gem the debate is going nowhere.
