OOC X-COM Think Tank (part 4)

Frostlich1228 (Alt)

Frostlich1228 (Alt)

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So... Guys uh... Can I just vent about the fucking Alien Hunter Dlc in Xcom 2?

Just... What the fuck were they thinking... Who thought it was a good idea to have a fucking 40 hp enemy just appear randomly on one of your missions early in the game? Why...

I actually had to save scum an entire mission because one of the Rulers just popped up and killed literally everyone and there wasn't anything I could even think about doing to stop it because I was already fighting the enemies that were already there!

I just... So there's just a percent chance to wipe on literally every mission you go on now? Oh... Oh... And it stuns you every fucking hit it goes for!

Is this just my fault for doing the Snake mission too early or something? Because there is nothing telling you that you should wait to do that...

I mean fuck... Just look at Zhang's mission from X-Com EW, it's a early mission and there and some kinda strong enemies, namely Chryssalid, but you can deal with them at that level and finish that mission reliably! But this is fucking stupid!

I've never wanted to turn off a DLC in the last game, but now, I think I may just have to! How would you even attempt this with Ironman on?I don't even...
 
Taxor_the_First

Taxor_the_First

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Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
So... Guys uh... Can I just vent about the fucking Alien Hunter Dlc in Xcom 2?

Just... What the fuck were they thinking... Who thought it was a good idea to have a fucking 40 hp enemy just appear randomly on one of your missions early in the game? Why...

I actually had to save scum an entire mission because one of the Rulers just popped up and killed literally everyone and there wasn't anything I could even think about doing to stop it because I was already fighting the enemies that were already there!

I just... So there's just a percent chance to wipe on literally every mission you go on now? Oh... Oh... And it stuns you every fucking hit it goes for!

Is this just my fault for doing the Snake mission too early or something? Because there is nothing telling you that you should wait to do that...

I mean fuck... Just look at Zhang's mission from X-Com EW, it's a early mission and there and some kinda strong enemies, namely Chryssalid, but you can deal with them at that level and finish that mission reliably! But this is fucking stupid!

I've never wanted to turn off a DLC in the last game, but now, I think I may just have to! How would you even attempt this with Ironman on?I don't even...
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Every playthrough after the first one I did with either of the DLCs, I waited until I at least had mag weapons before walking in there. In my current playthrough I'm almost at plasma and I haven't even touched Alien Hunters. It's extra stress that in the early game is nigh impossible to handle, and in my current situation I've got enough to deal with with half my roster going in and out of the medbay like it's the cafeteria. Lucifer's the only constant right now, and that's largely because something bugs and his abilities get duplicated mid mission... including those that give him armor. I'm assuming a mod conflict.

That said, I'm a bit of a masochist. I enjoy the challenge. Usually your strat should be to incapacitate and focus fire the Ruler above all else. Do that and most of the time they'll run away like a little bitch before your turn's out. Sounds simple, admittedly not always. Damage over time weapons absolutely destroy them because they take the damage every time they have a turn. Acid, poison, and fire are your friend. Embrace the warcrimes, Frost.

Basically, whenever one shows up, your priority should be doing as much damage to them as possible and only them. First shred the armor, then start actually blasting them. The longer a Ruler's on the field, the more likely it is they'll freeze half your squad, or pummel them into the ground, or call in an orbital strike or whatever. If you have Shen's Last Gift, you can obtain a direct counter to half the shit Rulers do. Obviously don't send your Ranger into position where they're flanked by the other standard enemies, because then you'll have that hurt. They're 'balanced' in that their individual attacks don't do as much damage as a standard enemy. I'm pretty sure Snek Prime's crossbow only does 2 damage on a normal hit. It's all the extra shit in their kit that makes them difficult.

tldr: FIRE AT FUCKING WILL. Best advice I can give. Be thankful there's only 3 of the fuckers.
 
Frostlich1228 (Alt)

Frostlich1228 (Alt)

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Taxor_the_First said:
Every playthrough after the first one I did with either of the DLCs, I waited until I at least had mag weapons before walking in there. In my current playthrough I'm almost at plasma and I haven't even touched Alien Hunters. It's extra stress that in the early game is nigh impossible to handle, and in my current situation I've got enough to deal with with half my roster going in and out of the medbay like it's the cafeteria. Lucifer's the only constant right now, and that's largely because something bugs and his abilities get duplicated mid mission... including those that give him armor. I'm assuming a mod conflict.

That said, I'm a bit of a masochist. I enjoy the challenge. Usually your strat should be to incapacitate and focus fire the Ruler above all else. Do that and most of the time they'll run away like a little bitch before your turn's out. Sounds simple, admittedly not always. Damage over time weapons absolutely destroy them because they take the damage every time they have a turn. Acid, poison, and fire are your friend. Embrace the warcrimes, Frost.

Basically, whenever one shows up, your priority should be doing as much damage to them as possible and only them. First shred the armor, then start actually blasting them. The longer a Ruler's on the field, the more likely it is they'll freeze half your squad, or pummel them into the ground, or call in an orbital strike or whatever. If you have Shen's Last Gift, you can obtain a direct counter to half the shit Rulers do. Obviously don't send your Ranger into position where they're flanked by the other standard enemies, because then you'll have that hurt. They're 'balanced' in that their individual attacks don't do as much damage as a standard enemy. I'm pretty sure Snek Prime's crossbow only does 2 damage on a normal hit. It's all the extra shit in their kit that makes them difficult.

tldr: FIRE AT FUCKING WILL. Best advice I can give. Be thankful there's only 3 of the fuckers.
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That Muton killed Marx, ROBO-AMMY, Ayame AND Keloe... (With the help of the fucking Codex's turning off my guns every chance they got...)

Then got my SPARK and Cathy both captured... It was a Dark VIP mission though and I did manage to burn Ember alive with my flamethrower.. But now evil Cathy is going to be a thing... so...
 
Taxor_the_First

Taxor_the_First

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Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
That Muton killed Marx, ROBO-AMMY, Ayame AND Keloe... (With the help of the fucking Codex's turning off my guns every chance they got...)

Then got my SPARK and Cathy both captured... It was a Dark VIP mission though and I did manage to burn Ember alive with my flamethrower.. But now evil Cathy is going to be a thing... so...
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Fun fact, sometimes throwing am acid/incendiary/poison grenade at the berserker ruler causes it to freak out and just stand still until the gas fire or whatever goes away. Had that happen on 2 separate playthroughs. Seriously, warcrimes dude. They'll save your life.

And I wouldn't worry about your captured soldiers turning against you. I'm pretty sure they only come back as standard vip rescue targets. Not sure if that applies to sparks though. Be pretty funny to open up a prison cell to find a giant robot sitting inside scratching tally marks on the walls.

As a global side note, fuck codexs. Fuck em. Bane of my fucking existence. Computer waifu or not, those things can burn in a godamn inferno.
 
ExoGrim

ExoGrim

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Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
That Muton killed Marx, ROBO-AMMY, Ayame AND Keloe... (With the help of the fucking Codex's turning off my guns every chance they got...)

Then got my SPARK and Cathy both captured... It was a Dark VIP mission though and I did manage to burn Ember alive with my flamethrower.. But now evil Cathy is going to be a thing... so...
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honestly, the only advice I can give is just never buy the XCOM 2 DLC, it's mostly trash in my opnion
 
DarkGemini24601

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It's time for an edition of "Gem reacts to things and generally rambles on in an attempt to generate conversation"!
When I saw the title, I was expecting one thing... what I got was great, though see that the suggestion I made hasn't come into play QUITE yet.

Dahlexpert said:
Lilith drank the potion, and just like Luke she passed out her bed and felt herself fading.

When Lilith woke up, she saw her village in it’s entirety. Lilith saw the smith workshop were they made their weapons, there training grounds were they trained their young. A butchering cabin for skinning and gutting the animals, and many other cabins that made their home look like a small village in the middle of nowhere.

Lilith breathed in the cold air, and as she looked down she can see that her skin is still gray
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This is your brain on ritualistic drugs. Also, nice description of the town, and I like that Lilith's modified genetics is an ongoing struggle for her. Maybe her daughter-in-law's biologist sister can help with that.
Dahlexpert said:
Lilith looked down at the snow, and back at her sister and slowly made her way to Scarlett and embraced the blond haired woman tears starting to fall down her face.” I’m sorry, I’m sorry I avoided coming here for this long. I’ve missed you so much everyday I wish you were here by our side.”
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You know, as touching as this is, there's something disquieting about a Van Dam crying. It's not something you envision when you think of the tribe of people so badass you question if they have reality-warping powers or not.
Dahlexpert said:
I know I know, I've miss you two. It has been to long lily, tell me how have things been for you?
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Scarlet is a lot nicer in this incarnation, isn't she? Also, Lilith shares a nickname with An-Yi.
Dahlexpert said:
Though unlike the old politicians, I can at least say that Elder has a spine.
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Lilith has something in common with Desmond's view of the old world.
Dahlexpert said:
If you don’t shut the hell up I will punch you!
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Ah, there it is. The Scarlet we all know and love (loathe?).
Dahlexpert said:
I know, and the best way you can honor me and our family is to be your old self again. Be that old sniper you used to be and still are, be that guardian angel of your team again Become that Apex predator you are and hunt down those elder basterds and send them packing back to whatever corner of the galaxy they came from.
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Apex Predator, Guardian Angel, Tribal Sniper. Lilith has a lot of badass titles.
Just by the title, I knew Anna would be involved in this somehow. I feel like if Frost had lived in Salem during the late 1600s he would have been like "wait no don't burn them if they can do magic that's really cool!"

Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
He could figure out why they had her without too much thought, they were clearly looking for him after he joined X-Com, or even after he escaped the farm, or even still after his staunch anti-alien views throughout his life. Everytime he had passed her room, it reminded him...
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I like the contrast between how Anna and Marx originally were, and how they're on the same page now. It's dynamic.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
humming
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The significance of this is not explained in this solo, which has me very curious.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
Marx's eyes widened at the long hair, as well as her skinny body and sunken eyes
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Question for Frost: is this a product of genetic alteration? a symptom of forcing psionics out of someone with a frail body? I'm interested to see if this is a permanent thing or if, say, a certain 'seagull' couldn't help improve Anna's physical health.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
"I politely asked for an empty one."
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Atka is beginning to consider forcing all the loners who got rooms to themselves to share one. :p
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
"I've run into a few problems with some of the people around here being uncomfortable with Korelyive's and my... Outward appearance...
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Speaking of people with rooms to themselves, I have a feeling Tom's AI would positively LOVE Anna and Korelyive BECAUSE they're scary.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
Anna stopped, her eyes drooping as she looked at Marx, "I'm sorry Marx. But the person you're expecting isn't here... Just this... Ghost... A Shell... I am still Anna, the one you knew, in many ways... I still love you... Family is still important to me... I still care about the creatures I see... But I am different in many more... I'll never get that innocence back... I now understand the truth of what the Elders are doing... I have no sympathy for their kind anymore, just... revenge... The Elders will either atone, like Shen'Lustus, and work the rest of their lives to undo the damage they have done to the races under their command... Or I'll kill them... We'll kill them... And deliver the pain of every life they have ever taken, ever drop of blood they ever helped to spill, right back at them... Either way, I get the revenge I want, the revenge I'm sure you want too."
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I get a good idea of Anna's motivations here, but I'm left wondering what other aspects of herself are the same or different that she leaes out. Innocence is the main topic mentioned here.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
He bit his lip, unintentionally making it bleed, then began to speak, "I'm... God I'm sorry Anna... If I hadn't joined XCOM, you wouldn't have been hurt... I couldn't even find you in time... I failed you..."
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Seeing the stoic break down is a great character moment, and it goes to show that Marx does have his feelings buried beneath that rocky, metal shell of his.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
Anna suddenly stood up, placing a hand on his shoulder, "You didn't fail me, you did what you thought was right. If I had seen the Elders for what they really were and joined XCOM like I should've, they wouldn't have been able to torture me... I believe that maybe... My capture was meant to happen... It showed me the absolute, undeniable truth of the Elders, which lead me here. None of that was your fault and blaming yourself will change nothing... I may not be the person you were hoping to find Marx... But my love for you will never change... We have a chance, after all those wasted years... To be a family again..."
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I suppose this does address to some extent my question about what stayed the same.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
"I think I just might." The Samoan responded, sitting down and leaning forwards with her elbows on the table, "So Marx... Do you consider us close?"

A bead of sweat crawled down his neck, but he didn't lose his composure, "Why wouldn't I? You're an impressive woman."
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Hmmm... I suspect Marx may have a thing for musclegirls.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
Keloe just shook her head, "Of course not... I mean, have you seen some of the other reflections around here? And now we're getting the Ethereal's reflections too... like that Umbra... Or that crazy fire knight..."
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Tax was mentioned by someone other than me! *girlish squeal*
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
Although, Arachnophobes are rare these days... Either that or people just started having bigger things to worry about..."
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This is echoing the sentiment that Jennifer made about the aliens being more pressing that everyday fears, although the first half is wording weirdly. XP I don't think anything about 2039 means that less people feel arachnids. Hell, if you count Chryssalids as arachnids there are probably MORE arachnophobes now. (I see through your attempts to acclimate us to spiders! NEVER! I shall smush them into powder!)
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
Anna tilted her head, "It's clearly to make them more appealing to human men... Much like how the Archon is very majestic now..."
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I imagine there's an element of pandering to women with the Archon (and James Delanor), although the majesty of those bodybuilder abs on its own helps with their godlike image. As for Vipers... human DNA. Though eye candy is an added bonus.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
"Hmm... Well, maybe we should ask a man..." Keloe said, smiling at Marx, "So... Vipers, do you find them attractive? Do I need to start wearing slithery snake skin bodysuits to get your attention?"
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Oh God. It's back. I remember Yakone and Marx discussing this way back in early Phase 1.
Frostlich1228 (Alt) said:
Marx leaned forward, sighing, "I suppose XCOM has had an effect on me..."
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Character development! yees
 
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