X-COM/XSDF RP THINK TANK (part3)

[PrismaCube]

Prisma, look. Your other topics I've been fine with, but I don't give a shit that you don't care about my opinion. I'm the GM of this RP and if I say the think tank of the roleplay I oversee is a place where we're not going to discuss controversial stuff unless I'm not worried about it, then that is FINAL. End of story.

(Not to be a dictator, I've just seen politics destroy friendships, and I'll be damned if I consider your curiosity about American politics more important than the bonds we have here)

Saying not to be a dictator while applying dicatorship rules is a rather controversial thing to do. We have two completly diffrent politics and I was just curious is all. What do I care about who becomes president of the USA? I just care about the opinions of others. (Furthermore I would request you to drop the use of stronger words towards me, such as, and I state "give a shit", inorder to keep the feeling mutual towards one another, I have not done it to you, I have simply state my reason in a neutral matter that your view is not important to me because you are underaged, its not your fault I know, just a reason I stated. Instead we could go towards "I could not care less" which I find more approriate when it comes to these kinds of discussions.) At this very moment the only bond that is being destroyed is the small one that you and me still have left, and it's not because of politics, it is because once again we repeat ourselves where you use your given power to rule over me. But okay I get it, we had this discussion before and I would hate to waste my energy on it once again. By your order I will drop this topic. And I'm sorry that I have caused a negative impact between you and me once again. Furthermore I agree with you "End of story". Let's get back to other stuff...

 

[DarkGemini24601]

Saying not to be a dictator while applying dicatorship rules is a rather controversial thing to do. We have two completly diffrent politics and I was just curious is all. What do I care about who becomes president of the USA? I just care about the opinions of others. (Furthermore I would request you to drop the use of stronger words towards me, such as, and I state "give a shit", inorder to keep the feeling mutual towards one another, I have not done it to you, I have simply state my reason in a neutral matter that your view is not important to me because you are underaged, its not your fault I know, just a reason I stated. Instead we could go towards "I could not care less" which I find more approriate when it comes to these kinds of discussions.) At this very moment the only bond that is being destroyed is the small one that you and me still have left, and it's not because of politics, it is because once again we repeat ourselves where you use your given power to rule over me. But okay I get it, we had this discussion before and I would hate to waste my energy on it once again. By your order I will drop this topic. And I'm sorry that I have caused a negative impact between you and me once again. Furthermore I agree with you "End of story". Let's get back to other stuff...

I just don't think its unreasonable for me to do my job as a moderator of the roleplays theads. All I intended by saying enough was preventing the POSSIBILITY of conflict. Americans are not mature about politics, let me tell you that if you didnt know that aready. All i meant to do by saying enough is negate even the POSSIBILITY of conflict.

This is a think tank for Vanguard of Forseti and non-inciendiary off topic things. I have ZERO authority over you. You left the RP. The only authority I have is over Vanguard of Forseti as its gamemaster and threads pertaining to it.

If you want to talk sports or anything thats casual, go ahead and do it here. I love your company and your artistic skills do a lot for the community even if you arent an active roleplayer due to time constraints.

If you guys really want to talk politics do it in the off topic forum. That way anyone that doesnt want to get involved doesnt have to. Because if you bring it up in a forum everyone had to check then it causes conflict because people either cant use this think tank for its main purpose or get involved unwittigly.

 

[PrismaCube]

Just started watching Breaking Bad, got to say first season...wow. Anyone else here who watched it?

 

[Alzdude28]

Just started watching Breaking Bad, got to say first season...wow. Anyone else here who watched it?

Seen the first series and loved it, somehow I still haven't got around to watching any more though... one day.

Also, if I may bring up politics for one brief moment,

Spoiler: Brief political comment here.

at least you don't have David Cameron.

 

[DarkGemini24601]

Just started watching Breaking Bad, got to say first season...wow. Anyone else here who watched it?

I've heard a lot about it, but I've had enough spoiled for me that I dunno if I'll ever watch it or not.


Also, upon inspection and avice, I will cautiously reopen the topic about politics... On the condition that people be civil, please. Let us not stoop to "everyone of X political party is a nutter". Blind party loyalty is why I do not align myself with a particular political party.

 

[DarkGemini24601]

George Washington warned against political parties, and I think the man had a good point.

 

[PrismaCube]

George Washington warned against political parties, and I think the man had a good point.

So did Hitler and his point has been proven xD

I've heard a lot about it, but I've had enough spoiled for me that I dunno if I'll ever watch it or not.

Odly enough I managed to never get spoilered and I'm enjoying watching the seasons now. I heared it was good but never really expected much from it.

 

[DarkGemini24601]

So did Hitler and his point has been proven xD



Odly enough I managed to never get spoilered and I'm enjoying watching the seasons now. I heared it was good but never really expected much from it.

Well, just because someone might be a bad person doesn't mean everything that comes out of their mouth is nonsense. Like you said, the third reich pulled Germany together objectively, even if they got into a war later on that would undo some of that prosperity until reunification.

 

[Adrammalech]

Very interessting, sorry for my...curioustity. I myself am very active in politics, even in a political group, so I'm very curious about this. Although I do know that the american politics are somewhat diffrent to the european, in this globalization we have today it is only to the best of my intressts to show intresst and learn from politics from other countries.

Now I'm not going to defend trump here, but do keep in mind that every politican sais something stupid every once in a while (about 99.5% bullshit, 0.4% politics, 0.1% humor and not to forget the 0.00000001% truth). The once who are hated more seemed to have more because people search for those quotes. My point of view on politics are that I hate nothing more. The reason why I'm so active in them is because its the best way to work on improving them. But my personal stuff aside, I would like to know if you have just watched vids. like the one provided here, or if you have activly been following ever debate that has been going on the last couple of months? And do you see the positive effect that CAN befall america where Trump to become president? Because there are a lot of positive effects that is true, there are also negative effects, thats also true. It has always been this way even Obama had it. But I'm getting off track here. What I wish from you, and I'm sorry if this is a bother to you, I'm just very curious...Tell me something good about trump, just one think, that can affect america and how other coutries view america. Just one positive thing.

If you'd like a mostly neutral, informed opinion, this election isn't a normal Americans-so-wacky thing, there's something different going on. For the last 6 or 8 years most elections have been influenced heavily by primaries (voting for an intra-party candidate before sending them vs. the other party). The PACs (advertising money dumps for rich people) in both parties have largely dictated who will win those because most of the general public are uninterested in primaries. This time, everyone's really unhappy: Bush and Obama were basically useless for everything they promised. Then the Dem. leaders and the Rep. PACs say don't worry, we've already got your frontrunners, Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush (familiar last names?), and yeah, they'll definitely change things in the populist way everyone wants.

Now both of them are losing polls because nobody wants some predestined career politician from a dynasty. Nobody can agree on what kind of radical change they want, but they want it. Socialists are trying to topple Democrats, Libertarians are trying to topple Republicans, there's a ton of people in the center just trying to find a decent candidate who isn't owned by special interests, and nothing's really moving. So there's only one real thing that everyone can agree on, which is just hating the status quo, and that's where Sanders and Trump come in. Trump is just a protest vote that people know will work because the media carries every breath he takes into space. It's unlikely that he'll actually win because his supporter base is much smaller than his polling base, but it is possible. And if he does win, the one good thing that'll come out of it is that the parties will probably be destroyed and reformed, or a third party will get introduced, and something will actually change...eventually, maybe; like all politics.

 

[DarkGemini24601]

If you'd like a mostly neutral, informed opinion, this election isn't a normal Americans-so-wacky thing, there's something different going on. For the last 6 or 8 years most elections have been influenced heavily by primaries (voting for an intra-party candidate before sending them vs. the other party). The PACs (advertising money dumps for rich people) in both parties have largely dictated who will win those because most of the general public are uninterested in primaries. This time, everyone's really unhappy: Bush and Obama were basically useless for everything they promised. Then the Dem. leaders and the Rep. PACs say don't worry, we've already got your frontrunners, Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush (familiar last names?), and yeah, they'll definitely change things in the populist way everyone wants.

Now both of them are losing polls because nobody wants some predestined career politician from a dynasty. Nobody can agree on what kind of radical change they want, but they want it. Socialists are trying to topple Democrats, Libertarians are trying to topple Republicans, there's a ton of people in the center just trying to find a decent candidate who isn't owned by special interests, and nothing's really moving. So there's only one real thing that everyone can agree on, which is just hating the status quo, and that's where Sanders and Trump come in. Trump is just a protest vote that people know will work because the media carries every breath he takes into space. It's unlikely that he'll actually win because his supporter base is much smaller than his polling base, but it is possible. And if he does win, the one good thing that'll come out of it is that the parties will probably be destroyed and reformed, or a third party will get introduced, and something will actually change...eventually, maybe; like all politics.

That actually fills me with morsels of hope. The democratic process reasserting itself from what was becoming a monarchy.

 

[Alzdude28]

If you'd like a mostly neutral, informed opinion, this election isn't a normal Americans-so-wacky thing, there's something different going on. For the last 6 or 8 years most elections have been influenced heavily by primaries (voting for an intra-party candidate before sending them vs. the other party). The PACs (advertising money dumps for rich people) in both parties have largely dictated who will win those because most of the general public are uninterested in primaries. This time, everyone's really unhappy: Bush and Obama were basically useless for everything they promised. Then the Dem. leaders and the Rep. PACs say don't worry, we've already got your frontrunners, Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush (familiar last names?), and yeah, they'll definitely change things in the populist way everyone wants.

Now both of them are losing polls because nobody wants some predestined career politician from a dynasty. Nobody can agree on what kind of radical change they want, but they want it. Socialists are trying to topple Democrats, Libertarians are trying to topple Republicans, there's a ton of people in the center just trying to find a decent candidate who isn't owned by special interests, and nothing's really moving. So there's only one real thing that everyone can agree on, which is just hating the status quo, and that's where Sanders and Trump come in. Trump is just a protest vote that people know will work because the media carries every breath he takes into space. It's unlikely that he'll actually win because his supporter base is much smaller than his polling base, but it is possible. And if he does win, the one good thing that'll come out of it is that the parties will probably be destroyed and reformed, or a third party will get introduced, and something will actually change...eventually, maybe; like all politics.

Bringing my thoughts in, in the recent British elections, there was a worrying amount of support pre-election for the UK Independence Party, who were seen as the protest vote, when it came to the actual election, with the exception of a huge increase for the Scottish Nationals, most people stuck to the two main parties. I suspect the same will happen with Trump. The general public don't like change.

 

[Adrammalech]

Bringing my thoughts in, in the recent British elections, there was a worrying amount of support pre-election for the UK Independence Party, who were seen as the protest vote, when it came to the actual election, with the exception of a huge increase for the Scottish Nationals, most people stuck to the two main parties. I suspect the same will happen with Trump. The general public don't like change.

Odds are likely that if the Republican party doesn't acknowledge what's going on somehow, it'll come down to either that or Trump folds his vote into a far right candidate like Cruz before the primary date.

 

[MarineAvenger]

Odds are likely that if the Republican party doesn't acknowledge what's going on somehow, it'll come down to either that or Trump folds his vote into a far right candidate like Cruz before the primary date.

Worst case scenario would be Trump gets into office. The best he could is maybe boost the economy slightly but he has no clue how to run a country. Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton are just interested in gaining power for theirselves and their corperate backers so they aren't much better. Honestly, I am rooting for Bernie Sanders. His policies seem the most reasonable while staying down to Earth. He has something most politicians lack, self awareness.

 

[PrismaCube]

What you guys need is more Obama xD

Your two times vote policy sure has its positive side and negative side.
Positive you do not get someone like our merkel to run for a long long time.
Negative you loss someone who acctualy made a change...Thx Obama.

 

[DarkGemini24601]

What you guys need is more Obama xD

Your two times vote policy sure has its positive side and negative side.
Positive you do not get someone like our merkel to run for a long long time.
Negative you loss someone who acctualy made a change...Thx Obama.

What change did Obama make besides his healthcare bill? I dont think the national debt got lower or any meaningful policies got passed.

 

[DarkGemini24601]

And while free healthcare sounds nice it means you'll get new lower paid doctors while those with real skill quit due to their salaries beinng truncated. Not to mention healthcare for all puts a strain on medicine manufacutrers since they won't make much money off of their products anymore.

It might end up being moderately sustainable if only because its now government run. But the goverent running healthcare isn't necesarily a good thing.

 

[DarkGemini24601]

"Did this guy get marked as a terrorist? He didn't do anything?"

"Don't question it. Just turn off his life support."

 

[BMPixy]

What change did Obama make besides his healthcare bill? I dont think the national debt got lower or any meaningful policies got passed.

Pardon the aggressiveness of the link name, but: wtfhasobamadonesofar.com

 

[DarkGemini24601]

Pardon the aggressiveness of the link name, but: wtfhasobamadonesofar.com

Granted, everyone accomplishes something. I doubt there has every been a president thats been a parasite. 1 and 2 I get. The Hate Crime stuff I'd be careful about. (Opinion!) Hate Crime is a scary term because it could be used to punish someone just for using a slur. Which, even if its racist to call someone a n***** or a cracker, thats free speech.

Weakening the power of banks? I can get behind that.

Stimulus packages are neutral. Funding is normal, results are good.

Shareholders determiming executive pay seems good.

Making parents pay for healthcare is circumstantial. If you go to college then that makes sense, but if you go straight to work that seems inconvinenent.

The statistic sayig women are paid less is inaccurate. It draws from ALL women as a total. The issue therein is you couldnt reasoanbly have the two sexes paid an equal amount across the bord. And the jobs women tend towards in interest seem to pay less. (My conclusion!) The Wage Gap issue is a myth, and I could look up a page that had a bumch of sources related to that if need be.

Helping wounded warriors and stuff is good.

Increased minority access to capital. Well thats nondescript tells me nothing specific and goes in my "meh" catagory.

Helping national parks. Cute, not bad. I like me my national parks.

 

[Alzdude28]

And while free healthcare sounds nice it means you'll get new lower paid doctors while those with real skill quit due to their salaries beinng truncated. Not to mention healthcare for all puts a strain on medicine manufacutrers since they won't make much money off of their products anymore.

It might end up being moderately sustainable if only because its now government run. But the goverent running healthcare isn't necesarily a good thing.

Trust me, once you have it, you won't want to lose it. We have free healthcare in Britain, and the current government is trying to cut it.